Yes to Freedom

For instance, there was this IRC snippet (edited for clarity):

[00:52] <LunarSD> EN is celebrity-endorsed: http://www.cantstoptheserenity.com/
[00:52] <LunarSD> and fairly wealthy
[00:52] <LunarSD> HOWEVER --> We have the potential to be celebrity-endorsed as well --> http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/w … peech.html
[00:53] <LunarSD> I still fantasize about getting Joss Whedon and Neil Gaiman bumping horns over this
[00:53] <LunarSD> since they iconically represent both sides
[00:53] <KarenKozuki> You know, if we got Joss Whedon, that would make my entire life complete
[00:54] <LunarSD> did you click that link?
[00:54] <KarenKozuki> I've read that (Neil Gaiman's defense of "Icky Speech") many times
[00:54] <KarenKozuki> and link it to people constantly
[00:54] <LunarSD> the first link, I mean
[00:54] <LunarSD> the Serenity one
[00:54] <KarenKozuki> oh geeze

[00:54] <KarenKozuki> what the hell man
[00:54] <LunarSD> that's exactly how I felt
[00:54] <LunarSD> he (Joss Whedon) has a brilliant mind
[00:54] <LunarSD> but WTF
[00:55] <LunarSD> he's EN's poster boy
[00:55] <LunarSD> I'd like to think he simply hasn't realized yet the sobering,
[00:55] <LunarSD> misguided cruelty behind EN's current book-burning antics
[00:55] <KarenKozuki> I suddenly feel a huge pit in my stomach
[00:55] <KarenKozuki> I am very mad at them for their extreme actions
[00:55] <KarenKozuki> and for getting people to act misogynistic and angry towards my gender in general,
[00:55] <KarenKozuki> for no reason other than it was EN's fault this censorship mess started.
[00:55] <KarenKozuki> I can't go rip their heads off. We would be sinking to their extreme levels.
[00:55] <@sycamore> lol
[00:55] <Dakeyrus> Oh Whedon..
[00:55] <Dakeyrus> The man who gave us Firefly
[00:55] <Dakeyrus> I think his mind is still somewhere out in space
[00:55] <LunarSD> he's the reason they get MILLIONS annually in donation
[00:55] <LunarSD> and such a huge membership
[00:56] <LunarSD> Writing a letter to Joss Whedon, to alert him what's happening under his nose (likely without his realization)...
[00:56] <LunarSD> could be our Trojan Horse
[00:56] <LunarSD> ... Especially if that letter came from Neil Gaiman ...
[00:56] <KarenKozuki> I love all his work but now I don't feel like supporting him. Agrh.
[00:56] <Dakeyrus> KarenKozuki: He's made some amazing stuff, there's nothing wrong with continuing to support his work
[00:56] <Dakeyrus> You intend to try to get Gaiman's support, then?
[00:57] <LunarSD> probably now isn't the time though
[00:57] <LunarSD> we've got to hurry and fill up our web site (not just the forums) with good information
[00:57] <LunarSD> and look more presentable

It's ironic that Whedon's Firefly series was all about rugged individualists carving out an existance against overarching government control, and here we have his beloved EN clamoring to the UN for more of that very control.

Last edited by restless (2009-07-25 13:17:02)

Keep in mind guys that EN have actually done alot of good for women that hasn't stepped on the toes of other peoples rights. It's just one of their latest actions is counter productive, and does infringe on quite alot of peoples rights.

I'm well aware of EN's history, but they still don't deserve any sort of free pass for their current actions. Especially since EN's stance is that Japan's history of low rape rates is irrelevant to the current situation. If EN is going to selectively ignore historical evidence, then turnabout is fair play, if only to point out their hypocrisy.

This is getting a bit ranty, and I'm probably not being very constructive. I'll just stop here.

Sycamore and Breadcultist were having a good time reading this publication on UK Liberal Democrat party's positions on Obscenity: http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/pdfs/libdem04.pdf

NEW To-Do task if you're feeling motivated (I'm useless until Tuesday at least, too many scheduled work hours):

-----Task-----

Pages 8-14 of the linked document are applicable to our cause. Their points are stock full of useful quotes and sources we should note down and abuse thoroughly at our leisure.

Dump their best quotes into Arokan's "Quotes that may come in handy" sticky thread: http://forums.yestofreedom.org/viewtopic.php?id=53
- (That's a highly useful idea for a thread Aro! Stickied.)

Dump their sources into Sycamore's "Source list" sticky thread: http://forums.yestofreedom.org/viewtopic.php?id=14
- please write a sentence or 2 clarifying what that point of each source is, so we may actually KNOW what it is we're referencing when using these sources to back up our arguments.

Az, I've already turned down a couple offers for word-spreading because the actual main web page is rather empty. It needs life first.

Which brings me to one of the new To-Do tasks!

Admins should fill our website main page with stuff now (solace's Timeline; ideas for the Arguments section: snippets from the loli/ero documents, etc.)!

Members (anyone reading this) can register on the new yestofreedom Wiki (http://core.nctritech.com/ytfwiki/index.php/Main_Page) and invent categories, dump data from the forums, etc.

Yay! There's stuff everyone can do now!

Another new (potential?) task: Somebody ought to compile a list of many female artists/contributors who've worked on Eroge

To help substantiate claims that our side is not a bunch of "hate-mail sending misogynists"... I'm not sure how beneficial this task idea is.

Thumb up / Thump down?

From its current entry in the To-Do list:

"We've all heard that women frequently participate in making Hentai and Eroge (artists, designers, it's a field open to everyone equally), we've all met women who consume deviant Hentai and Eroge (our own membership has plenty; also, slash fiction was basically invented by fangirls), but our opposition continues to insist it's a field completely overrun with rape-happy misogynistic "criminally male" stereotypes.

Let's prove them wrong (again, lol).

It would be a good thing for us to have a nice list we can show to them if ever accused of being entirely made up of testosterone-infused, disheveled ex-cons.

Even if they continue to ignore it and re-paint their opposition as "hate-mail sending misogynists", it could still benefit our public face. "

I agree with LunarSD, I'm not asking us to become a mini-sankakucomplex, but it would be nice to have a steady flow (maybe someone can build a timeline of the regression of expressive rights) of the opposition's actions posted on the main page ( when it happens, than compiled into a separate page later) so we know who exactly does not agree with us, so we can make sure the floor (that is, anywhere our opposition is enforcing laws which breach basic rights of expression) has equal representation of our side as well. 

We definitely want a date, name, and places compiled into a small database (maybe just a chart to start).  Can't get very far without that.  Until then our events, emails, and projects are just really general without any specific direction.

Last edited by Orenji (2010-01-28 02:36:04)

Unfortunately you can make laws for nearly anything. There need not be a logical reason. The only thing standing in the way are rules you would have to follow for the law to qualify as one.

Indeed, interesting. We plan on contacting the CBLDF at some point ourselves.
Anyway, I will make building a new Timeline with this info - as a complement to our old Timeline - one of our current priorities. Now we just have to hope that someone will pick it up.